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I’ve been Orthodox now for almost 36 years.
(For context, that’s my entire life.)

I’m not Greek.
I’m not Russian.
I’m not Romanian, although a lot of folks think that since I grew up in a Romanian church and know about that incredible chicken salad with mayonnaise, potatoes, pickles, and peas. I really like it when it has peas.

I’m Scotch Irish, German, English, and a good deal of American farm folk.

My parents converted a few years before I was even born from a mostly Reformed background. While I’ve never been a Calvinist myself, and still don’t really know what “Reformed” even means, I still have a graduate degree from the same Presbyterian seminary my dad got an M.Div. from.

I usually refer to my master’s degree in counseling as my “master’s degree in empathy,” which helps after working more than nine years in customer complaints.

I’ve lived in Chicago now for almost ten years, but 2026 will be my last. I need to go home to St. Louis.

When I made my plan to leave Missouri after grad school, the idea was that all my friends and my parents were also leaving, going to far-flung corners of the country. I didn’t want to be left behind, and I thought the people and friends I was making in Chicago were pretty cool.

I also wanted to be a therapist, and let’s face it, there are a ton of Greeks in Chicago. We know they have money, and they definitely have problems, and could probably use a therapist.

The St. Louis plan now is to buy a house. My non-therapist career handling complaints for major financial technology companies has done surprisingly well, and I’m in the unexpected position of being able to buy a real house and pay for it myself.

The undergrad finance and banking major who once thought he might be the next Warren Buffett, and who still has a concerning soft spot for billionaires, mostly the yachts, assumed he’d have a house someday. The therapist did not.

I’m not quite sure where I’m going with all of this, but I think a bit of biography is necessary for the rest of this essay, so I appreciate you bearing with me.

Before we go back to the Orthodox part, I should probably mention one other part of my biography.

I’m gay.

That’s probably not a surprise to most of you reading this, given that the entire premise of the blog this is published on is somewhat founded on that reality. The almost fifteen years of public blog posts talking about it also might have been a giveaway.

What’s wild, though, is that it feels like now, at almost 36 years old, the fact that I’m both gay and Orthodox is a bigger deal today than it was when I first started blogging at 21.

The Church is starting to feel less like a safe home to me now than it was when I first confessed that I was emotionally and physically attracted to the same gender to a camp priest at Antiochian Village when I was fifteen.

The dialogue seems to have moved from the debates of the 2010s about labels and identity, and whether one could still have a place in the Church, to something much starker. Now it often feels as though including LGBT people in the Orthodox Church is dismissed outright as political “wokeness.”

The implication is that people like me should simply go join the Episcopal Church we are clearly destined for. For the record, I have many dear friends in the Episcopal Church, and they are far more than their online reputation would suggest. But the message I hear is that we have no place in the One, True Faith.

I should probably note here that I was also homeschooled.

I’ve worked for years trying to help my own priests, and other clergy I come into contact with, think more thoughtfully about LGBT people and our place in the Church. After fifteen years, I am still almost the only currently Orthodox and publicly out person I know in the English-speaking Orthodox world who would still personally adhere to the Church’s historic sexual ethic.

I don’t mean this to discount the work of other Orthodox LGBT people who are quite active online and pushing for greater inclusion. I simply mean that I still believe there is wisdom and spiritual fruit in the Church’s historic understanding, even as I struggle to live within it.

I’ve quietly worked with clergy and bishops seeking to develop better pastoral resources and support, but sometimes it feels like too little and too late. My position is inherently moderate, and moderate positions seem to have less and less space in Orthodox discourse. The loudest voices are deeply at odds with one another, leaving very little room for real dialogue or communion.

Lately, when I visit Orthodox churches, I find myself looking around with a sense of apprehension. I wonder what some of the newer converts would think if they knew that I sometimes paint my nails or wear a Pride Apple Watch band, let alone been in love with men.

A lot has been written recently about the influx of young men into the Church. While much of it feels overblown, I can’t deny what I’ve experienced in Orthodox spaces over the past few years. Even the most well-intentioned clergy are overwhelmed by the demands of catechesis and pastoral care. There is no realistic way for them to know the hearts and lives of everyone they receive, let alone keep up with the online worlds their parishioners may be immersed in.

Another part of me, though, is genuinely glad that so many people are excited about my Church.

It is a beautiful thing to watch people discover Orthodoxy. It is no longer hidden behind ethnicity and language in the way it once was, and in many places the doors are wide open. It has also never been more accessible to experience the liturgy or learn about the faith.

Over the past few years, I’ve had the great pleasure of introducing newly illumined members of my parish to my favorite monastery, showing them around the grounds, and explaining what is happening in the services. I have come to inhabit a small role as something of an old-timer, sharing stories from my years in the Church.

I don’t really have a conclusion to this other than to say that I still exist, and I am still here. Still Orthodox. Still doing my thing, even if more quietly than I once did.

To other LGBT Orthodox Christians who might be feeling increasingly alone, I want to say that there are others out there still muddling along. And to those who are new to Orthodoxy, I hope I can serve as a reminder that people like me are also here, wrestling with faith and sexuality, and doing our best to stay in the Boat.

On what may be a controversial note, there is something deeply paradoxical, and yes, even queer, about our Christian belief that the Church is the Bride of Christ. Our faith is full of reversals and inversions. Power is revealed in weakness. Glory comes through the Cross. Even as men, we are called to be radiant and faithful brides.

As a celibate gay man, it is a comfort to remember that I do, and will, have a husband: Christ Himself. May His love, and my often unfaithful heart as His bride, be enough in the life to come.

Amen.

-Gregg

The recent debate surrounding an essay by Giacomo Sanfilippo has yet again reminded me of a the importance of dialogue surrounding sexual minorities in the Orthodox Church. I’m not an expert in the theology of Florensky so I will leave the theological particulars to Sanfilippo and other theologians. I do have experience though in how the Church discusses sexual minorities and interacts with the LGBT community. I have read a few critiques and seen several posts by Orthodox writers and clergy reacting to the post on “Conjugal Friendship.” Most seem to be reading into his essay or assuming the worst about it and lamenting what they see as just another attack on the Church’s steadfast commitment to the traditional sacrament of marriage. I would like to take this opportunity to offer a few reflections on how we as a Church can better discuss the various paths available to sexual minorities within the Church rather than Sanfilippo’s specific content or that of his critics.

   ©️ 2017 Gregg Webb

 

What I took away from Sanfilippo’s essay was less the specific arguments or case he makes for developing an Orthodox theology of Same-Sex love, and more the fact that he is attempting to find paths of living for sexual minorities within the church. As both a gay man and an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I wrestle daily to try and figure out what I am called by my church to surrender and to give up. I am constantly reminded of all that I am asked to forsake at the Church’s request of fidelity to its, and my own, understanding of same-sex sexual expressions. I don’t need to be reminded that the path my heart most naturally is inclined towards, that of pursuing a husband and a family in a same-sex partnership, is not available to me. I don’t need to be reminded that I am called daily towards chastity and celibacy and to remain steadfast in following all that the Church teaches related to sexual intimacy. I know these things all too well and those battles within my heart rage continually. I need no reminders of these battles or allegiances. Read More

Copyright Gregg Webb 2012

Copyright Gregg Webb 2012

There are a number of factors that contribute to my conservative views as a celibate-gay Christian. The traditional view of marriage that I’ve held my whole life rests on several things and goes beyond the main passages of scripture that are so often brought up. Scripture is of course foundational for many of my beliefs regarding my sexuality as are the consistent teachings of the Church for over two millennia; they aren’t however the strongest day to day reminders of why I’ve chosen celibacy as my path. From my Eastern Orthodox upbringing I’ve grown up with the stories of countless men and women who have followed Christ’s call to take up their cross, deny themselves and follow after him. These saints, and especially the ascetics, are my daily reminder of the well-worn path I pursue.

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Copyright 2009 Gregg Webb

Cross posted from Spiritual Friendship

Over the last few months I’ve been slowly working through what it looks like to grieve the loss of the “what might have been.”

For me the “what might have been,” is the husband I will never have. As a celibate gay man I will constantly wrestle with the intersection of my desires and my convictions. By following my desire to become like Christ through the life of the Orthodox Church, I must always be willing to give up anything that runs contrary to that life. For me, I’ve experienced this sacrifice most profoundly as I slowly grieve the real cost of my celibacy: saying no to a romantic and sexual relationship with another man.
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Copyright 2013 Gregg Webb

We are people who enjoy comfort. It is easy to exist within a bubble where our ideas and world-views are only confirmed and never challenged. We are prone to shy away from opportunities for our own growth by allowing possible friends to remain strangers. Ideological differences are allowed to define and enforce separation often under the guise of safety. My own experience has shown that the bubble is never safe. It is far too easily ruptured when an uninvited co-worker, family member or classmate who would otherwise be an ideological object becomes a real person. When this happens we are forced to grapple with the tension that relationship creates in our lives. We must embrace a biblical calling to be “all things to all people” and by doing so understand our own convictions. It is only through relationship with others that our own understanding and faith can be fully deepened and formed.

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Exodus-International-logo-300x293There has been a great deal of hubbub about Alan Chamber’s announcement that Exodus International would be shutting down. (If you’re not familiar with Exodus International check out out my footnote on them.) I am glad to see that Alan Chambers has begun to seriously begin correcting many of the wrongs done in part by Exodus over the years. I am also glad to see that with Exodus’s closing the mainstream acceptance of reparative therapy has come to an end. Over the last five years Exodus has had an impact on my life in several ways, both negatively and positively, understandably my emotions surrounding their closure are also mixed.

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Georgia Clergy at Protest

Associated Press photo: by Shakh Aivazov

‘The one who loves me,’ says the Lord, ‘will keep my commandments’ and ‘this is my commandment, that you love one another.’ Therefore the one who does not love his neighbor is not keeping the commandment, and the one who does not keep the commandment is not able to love the Lord. -St. Maximus the Confessor*

Large crowds of anti-gay protestors gathered in the country of Georgia to disrupt a gay pride demonstration this week. Images and videos have circulated on my social networks and even one Orthodox priest on his popular blog hailed it as “taking action” to protect against the “disastrous consequences of ‘Gay Pride.’” All I can think about when I these images and read the accounts are the hundreds of same-sex attracted Georgians who have to watch their clergy, friends and families threatening to lash with stinging nettles and stones at people like them. Videos of thousands of men, women, and youth with numerous clergy mixed in show a terrifying scene. Over a dozen people were injured, mostly gay demonstrators and police. All of this makes me pause and wonder where Christ would have been in this scene.

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DSC_0435 - Version 2Some of you may already know me from my posts over at Holy Protection but for those who don’t, I’m Gregg. I’m a 23-year-old from St. Louis, Missouri and have been part of the Eastern Orthodox Church since birth! I was the church poster boy when I was young. I served in the altar from the age of seven and thanks to being homeschooled attended weekday services regularly. At Sunday school and at Christian education at an Eastern Orthodox summer camp I was the guy who knew everything. Some years I wouldn’t answer questions just to avoid being a know-it-all! From the outside things looked pretty good. I had a family who loved me, I was highly involved in Church life and when I was 15 became one of my church’s main chanters, I attended various Orthodox educational opportunities, spent several summers at an Orthodox summer camp, and attended several Orthodox programs/conferences across the country. I didn’t cuss, I didn’t listen to music with curse words, I didn’t drink, I didn’t smoke, and I’d never had sex. I looked pretty good to almost anybody, but I knew that something deep inside of me was off, very off.

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