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I’ve been Orthodox now for almost 36 years.
(For context, that’s my entire life.)

I’m not Greek.
I’m not Russian.
I’m not Romanian, although a lot of folks think that since I grew up in a Romanian church and know about that incredible chicken salad with mayonnaise, potatoes, pickles, and peas. I really like it when it has peas.

I’m Scotch Irish, German, English, and a good deal of American farm folk.

My parents converted a few years before I was even born from a mostly Reformed background. While I’ve never been a Calvinist myself, and still don’t really know what “Reformed” even means, I still have a graduate degree from the same Presbyterian seminary my dad got an M.Div. from.

I usually refer to my master’s degree in counseling as my “master’s degree in empathy,” which helps after working more than nine years in customer complaints.

I’ve lived in Chicago now for almost ten years, but 2026 will be my last. I need to go home to St. Louis.

When I made my plan to leave Missouri after grad school, the idea was that all my friends and my parents were also leaving, going to far-flung corners of the country. I didn’t want to be left behind, and I thought the people and friends I was making in Chicago were pretty cool.

I also wanted to be a therapist, and let’s face it, there are a ton of Greeks in Chicago. We know they have money, and they definitely have problems, and could probably use a therapist.

The St. Louis plan now is to buy a house. My non-therapist career handling complaints for major financial technology companies has done surprisingly well, and I’m in the unexpected position of being able to buy a real house and pay for it myself.

The undergrad finance and banking major who once thought he might be the next Warren Buffett, and who still has a concerning soft spot for billionaires, mostly the yachts, assumed he’d have a house someday. The therapist did not.

I’m not quite sure where I’m going with all of this, but I think a bit of biography is necessary for the rest of this essay, so I appreciate you bearing with me.

Before we go back to the Orthodox part, I should probably mention one other part of my biography.

I’m gay.

That’s probably not a surprise to most of you reading this, given that the entire premise of the blog this is published on is somewhat founded on that reality. The almost fifteen years of public blog posts talking about it also might have been a giveaway.

What’s wild, though, is that it feels like now, at almost 36 years old, the fact that I’m both gay and Orthodox is a bigger deal today than it was when I first started blogging at 21.

The Church is starting to feel less like a safe home to me now than it was when I first confessed that I was emotionally and physically attracted to the same gender to a camp priest at Antiochian Village when I was fifteen.

The dialogue seems to have moved from the debates of the 2010s about labels and identity, and whether one could still have a place in the Church, to something much starker. Now it often feels as though including LGBT people in the Orthodox Church is dismissed outright as political “wokeness.”

The implication is that people like me should simply go join the Episcopal Church we are clearly destined for. For the record, I have many dear friends in the Episcopal Church, and they are far more than their online reputation would suggest. But the message I hear is that we have no place in the One, True Faith.

I should probably note here that I was also homeschooled.

I’ve worked for years trying to help my own priests, and other clergy I come into contact with, think more thoughtfully about LGBT people and our place in the Church. After fifteen years, I am still almost the only currently Orthodox and publicly out person I know in the English-speaking Orthodox world who would still personally adhere to the Church’s historic sexual ethic.

I don’t mean this to discount the work of other Orthodox LGBT people who are quite active online and pushing for greater inclusion. I simply mean that I still believe there is wisdom and spiritual fruit in the Church’s historic understanding, even as I struggle to live within it.

I’ve quietly worked with clergy and bishops seeking to develop better pastoral resources and support, but sometimes it feels like too little and too late. My position is inherently moderate, and moderate positions seem to have less and less space in Orthodox discourse. The loudest voices are deeply at odds with one another, leaving very little room for real dialogue or communion.

Lately, when I visit Orthodox churches, I find myself looking around with a sense of apprehension. I wonder what some of the newer converts would think if they knew that I sometimes paint my nails or wear a Pride Apple Watch band, let alone been in love with men.

A lot has been written recently about the influx of young men into the Church. While much of it feels overblown, I can’t deny what I’ve experienced in Orthodox spaces over the past few years. Even the most well-intentioned clergy are overwhelmed by the demands of catechesis and pastoral care. There is no realistic way for them to know the hearts and lives of everyone they receive, let alone keep up with the online worlds their parishioners may be immersed in.

Another part of me, though, is genuinely glad that so many people are excited about my Church.

It is a beautiful thing to watch people discover Orthodoxy. It is no longer hidden behind ethnicity and language in the way it once was, and in many places the doors are wide open. It has also never been more accessible to experience the liturgy or learn about the faith.

Over the past few years, I’ve had the great pleasure of introducing newly illumined members of my parish to my favorite monastery, showing them around the grounds, and explaining what is happening in the services. I have come to inhabit a small role as something of an old-timer, sharing stories from my years in the Church.

I don’t really have a conclusion to this other than to say that I still exist, and I am still here. Still Orthodox. Still doing my thing, even if more quietly than I once did.

To other LGBT Orthodox Christians who might be feeling increasingly alone, I want to say that there are others out there still muddling along. And to those who are new to Orthodoxy, I hope I can serve as a reminder that people like me are also here, wrestling with faith and sexuality, and doing our best to stay in the Boat.

On what may be a controversial note, there is something deeply paradoxical, and yes, even queer, about our Christian belief that the Church is the Bride of Christ. Our faith is full of reversals and inversions. Power is revealed in weakness. Glory comes through the Cross. Even as men, we are called to be radiant and faithful brides.

As a celibate gay man, it is a comfort to remember that I do, and will, have a husband: Christ Himself. May His love, and my often unfaithful heart as His bride, be enough in the life to come.

Amen.

-Gregg

This post is adapted from a recent talk I gave at an annual retreat for side-B folks.

I grew up in the Eastern Orthodox Church. We’re a highly liturgical tradition and our Sunday worship follows the same liturgy each week. The Orthodox like many other traditions, celebrate the Eucharist or communion at every Sunday service. The hymns and prayers we pray each Sunday can sometimes feel easily familiar and apathy can easily creep in. From time to time though a certain phrase or passage will jump out and resonate with me in a new way. I’ll chew on it throughout the day and a line or passage will pop into my consciousness randomly when I’m least expecting it. For the last few months it’s been oblation

Each Sunday in the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, immediately following the affirmation of the Nicene Creed, we begin a section that culminates with the consecration of the Eucharist. This section called The Anaphora, begins with the priest, or deacon, proclaiming: 

Let us stand aright; let us stand with fear; let us attend, that we may offer the Holy Oblation in peace. 

Other translations might use the word “offering” or “sacrifice” but I like the term oblation. In the context of the Anaphora prayers, the Holy Oblation is the offering of the Eucharistic elements. It is the work of the people centered in the Eucharist. The Anaphora ends with the consecration and changing of the elements into the body and blood of Christ. 

Fr. Thomas Hopko of blessed memory was a well known Orthodox theologian wrote about this offering in the Liturgy:

In addition to being the perfect peace offering, Jesus is also the only adequate sacrifice of praise which men can offer to God. There is nothing comparable in men to the graciousness of God. There is nothing with which men can worthily thank and praise the Creator. This is so even if men would not be sinners. Thus God himself provides men with their own most perfect sacrifice of praise. The Son of God becomes genuinely human so that human persons could have one of their own nature sufficiently adequate to the holiness and graciousness of God. Again this is Christ, the sacrifice of praise.

Thus, in Christ, all is fulfilled and accomplished. In Him the entire sacrificial system of the Old Testament, which is itself the image of the universal striving of men to be worthy of God, is fulfilled. All possible offerings are embodied and perfected in the offering of Christ on the Cross. He is the offering for peace and reconciliation and forgiveness. He is the sacrifice for supplication, thanksgiving and praise. In Him all of men’s sins and impurities are forgiven. In Him all of men’s positive aspirations are fulfilled. In Him, and in him alone, are all of men’s ways to God, and God’s ways to men, brought into one Holy Communion. Through Him alone do men have access to the Father in one Holy Spirit (Eph 2.18; Also Jn 14, 2 Cor 5, Col 1). 

This Holy Oblation offered in the Eucharist reminds me of my own meager sacrifice, my small oblation. My oblation or sacrifice is my life to God. Like all Christians we’re called to give our lives to Christ, but my personal oblation takes on a unique aspect as a gay Christian pursuing celibacy. For me, that oblation is that which my heart and flesh long for most deeply, a loving intimate relationship with another man.

After the priest or deacon says, 

Let us stand aright; let us stand with fear; let us attend, that we may offer the Holy Oblation in peace.

The people then respond to the deacon by singing:

An oblation of peace, a sacrifice of praise.

I don’t know what this means. 

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The recent debate surrounding an essay by Giacomo Sanfilippo has yet again reminded me of a the importance of dialogue surrounding sexual minorities in the Orthodox Church. I’m not an expert in the theology of Florensky so I will leave the theological particulars to Sanfilippo and other theologians. I do have experience though in how the Church discusses sexual minorities and interacts with the LGBT community. I have read a few critiques and seen several posts by Orthodox writers and clergy reacting to the post on “Conjugal Friendship.” Most seem to be reading into his essay or assuming the worst about it and lamenting what they see as just another attack on the Church’s steadfast commitment to the traditional sacrament of marriage. I would like to take this opportunity to offer a few reflections on how we as a Church can better discuss the various paths available to sexual minorities within the Church rather than Sanfilippo’s specific content or that of his critics.

   ©️ 2017 Gregg Webb

 

What I took away from Sanfilippo’s essay was less the specific arguments or case he makes for developing an Orthodox theology of Same-Sex love, and more the fact that he is attempting to find paths of living for sexual minorities within the church. As both a gay man and an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I wrestle daily to try and figure out what I am called by my church to surrender and to give up. I am constantly reminded of all that I am asked to forsake at the Church’s request of fidelity to its, and my own, understanding of same-sex sexual expressions. I don’t need to be reminded that the path my heart most naturally is inclined towards, that of pursuing a husband and a family in a same-sex partnership, is not available to me. I don’t need to be reminded that I am called daily towards chastity and celibacy and to remain steadfast in following all that the Church teaches related to sexual intimacy. I know these things all too well and those battles within my heart rage continually. I need no reminders of these battles or allegiances. Read More

This is the continuation, and final post, in the series Reflections on Suffering. The whole series is available here.

As Christians we must bring our suffering into the midst of community. “Suffering is wasted if we suffer entirely alone. Those who do not know Christ, suffer alone.”[1] Our suffering “breaks the bonds of our selfishness and isolation from one another, so that we may truly love one another in compassion. We co-suffer with those who are suffering, that their suffering might not lead them into despair and death.”[2] We must heed the words of Nicholas Wolterstorff when he says,

But please: Don’t say it’s not really so bad. Because it is. Death [suffering] is awful, demonic. If you think your task as comforter is to tell me that really, all things considered, it’s not so bad, you do not sit with me in my grief but place yourself off in the distance away from me. Over there, you are of no help. What I need to hear from you is that you recognize how painful it is. I need to hear from you that you are with me in my desperation. To comfort me, you have to come close. Come sit beside me on my mourning bench.[3]

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This is the continuation of a four part series: Reflections on Suffering, Pt. 2, & Pt. 1. The whole series is available here.

Crucifixion Our participation in the sufferings of Christ is not passive nor is it stoic. As Thomas Merton imparts,

Merely accepted, suffering does nothing for our souls except, perhaps, to harden them. Endurance alone is no consecration. True asceticism is not a mere cult of fortitude. We can deny ourselves rigorously for the wrong reason and end up by pleasing ourselves mightily with our self-denial.

Suffering is consecrated to God by faith—not by faith in suffering, but by faith in God. To accept suffering stoically, to receive the burden of fatal, unavoidable, and incomprehensible necessity and to bear it strongly, is no consecration.

Some men believe in the power and the value of suffering. But their belief is an illusion. Suffering has no power and no value of its own.

It is valuable only as a test of faith. What if our faith fails in the test? Is it good to suffer, then? What if we enter into suffering with a strong faith in suffering, and then discover that suffering destroys us?

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This is the continuation of a previous post, Reflections on Suffering, Pt 1. The whole series is available here.

As a celibate gay man I will constantly wrestle with the intersection of my desires and my convictions. By following my desire to become like Christ through the life of the Eastern Orthodox Church, I must always be willing to give up anything that runs contrary to that life. For me, I’ve experienced this sacrifice most profoundly as I grieve the real cost of my celibacy: saying no to a romantic and sexual relationship with another man. Knowing this has forced me to come to terms with my own vocation as a celibate gay man. As I’ve worked through these feelings, particularly those of falling in love, I’ve been grappling with feelings of sadness, sadness that comes from slowly grieving all that I am called to give up for God’s call for my life.

Copyright Gregg Webb 2012

Copyright Gregg Webb 2012

It’s good to grieve, and as a future counselor I understand that grief and sadness have a real place in our lives. Grief gives us an appreciation for what we’ve lost as well as a renewed connection with our heart. It is easy to discount and discredit our emotions and to simply become numb, but grief and the process of grieving allow us to come to terms and acknowledge the depth of our real feeling. However, grief has its season and may eventually run its course. It is something we must go through, but we know that in time, the depth of pain and loss will slowly fade. My self-denial and pursuit of celibacy in accordance with my theological convictions will have its cost but I must remember that it is for a larger purpose.

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This is part one in a four part series on suffering. I will be posting the remaining parts on Holy Tuesday, Holy Wednesday, and Holy Thursday. The whole series is published here.

            My own very limited experience of suffering and grief is in part born from my unique and perpetual singleness as a celibate gay man. The loss of a future husband and the physical erotic expression of my love and affection have led me to find consolation in reflections on suffering and grief in general. Like me, a number of celibate gay Christians have found some outlet for their pain in the theology of suffering, Wes Hill being a good example. Other celibate gay Christians like Eve Tushnet have never resonated as deeply with a theology of suffering in the midst of their celibacy. In the pages that follow I will attempt to share some of my own experience and reflections on suffering, as well as the numerous contributions of other far greater thinkers who have wrestled with grief, suffering, and the goodness of God.

So what even is suffering? Where does it come from? Can we explain its existence with the existence of an all-loving, good God?

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